From smh.com.au :
http://smh.com.au/news/Business/Mitsubishi-near-collapse--again/2005/01/20/1106110880080.html?oneclick=true

Quoted highlights (lowlights really) of this article :

- Less than a year after Japan's Mitsubishi Motors narrowly averted almost
certain death by securing a $US4.6 billion ($6 billion) rescue from the
zaibatsu parent, Mitsubishi Group, the car maker is again reaching for a
lifeline amid a devastating decline in sales.

- Analysts say Mitsubishi is burning through cash so quickly that its need
for money has become critical.

- The car maker has had a series of failures in recent years, including a
misguided effort to foster sales in the US by offering easy loans to
customers with weak credit and a recall scandal in Japan that led to the
arrest of half a dozen former Mitsubishi executives, including a past
president.

Pity if it mitsu closes up door here in Oz. Not cos the awful looking cars
they make, which cannot be denied that that they are crook on the eyes
(they're actually well built and good value for money), but that so many
Aussies will lose their jobs. And the flow on effects in the form of
automotive suppliers, local shops and so on.

I hope the next model magna will rescue them, and they ditch the 'corporate'
front end of the cars.

From:	sheik yerbouti
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:36:13 +1100

i heard daimler were suing them! how does that work?
vn commodore transmission swap online manual

From:	Serialpest
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:43:57 +1000

On 22/1/05 12:36 AM, in article op42v01norh45ad0m3e0i7dfbrnmc8c74i@4ax.com,
"sheik yerbouti" wrote:

> i heard daimler were suing them! how does that work?
> vn commodore transmission swap online manual

Oh dear that car is the same colour as the one I had in 1988!

From:	sheik yerbouti
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:59:21 +1100

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:43:57 +1000, Serialpest
wrote:

>On 22/1/05 12:36 AM, in article op42v01norh45ad0m3e0i7dfbrnmc8c74i@4ax.com,
>"sheik yerbouti" wrote:
>
>> i heard daimler were suing them! how does that work?
>> vn commodore transmission swap online manual
>
>Oh dear that car is the same colour as the one I had in 1988!

maybe because it was built then!
vn commodore transmission swap online manual

From:	Kieron
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:13:56 GMT

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:32:26 +1100, "Vic"
wrote:

>I hope the next model magna will rescue them, and they ditch the 'corporate'
>front end of the cars.

Doesn't matter if the new model Magna outsells Falcon/Commodore
combined down here in our tin pot market, the new Magna won't save Mr
Bishi Motors worldwide.

From:	Diesel Dog (not Damo)
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:12:44 +1100

Kieron wrote:

>
> Doesn't matter if the new model Magna outsells Falcon/Commodore
> combined down here in our tin pot market, the new Magna won't save Mr
> Bishi Motors worldwide.

Agreed Mitsu is stuffed world wide.

--
Regards Dan

From:	Jason James
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:45:47 +1100

"Vic" wrote in message
news:35bpgaF4k7tqgU1@individual.net...
> From smh.com.au :
>
http://smh.com.au/news/Business/Mitsubishi-near-collapse--again/2005/01/20/1106110880080.html?oneclick=true
>
> Quoted highlights (lowlights really) of this article :
>
> - Less than a year after Japan's Mitsubishi Motors narrowly averted
almost
> certain death by securing a $US4.6 billion ($6 billion) rescue from the
> zaibatsu parent, Mitsubishi Group, the car maker is again reaching for a
> lifeline amid a devastating decline in sales.
>
> - Analysts say Mitsubishi is burning through cash so quickly that its
need
> for money has become critical.
>
> - The car maker has had a series of failures in recent years, including
a
> misguided effort to foster sales in the US by offering easy loans to
> customers with weak credit and a recall scandal in Japan that led to the
> arrest of half a dozen former Mitsubishi executives, including a past
> president.
>
> Pity if it mitsu closes up door here in Oz. Not cos the awful looking
cars
> they make, which cannot be denied that that they are crook on the eyes
> (they're actually well built and good value for money), but that so many
> Aussies will lose their jobs. And the flow on effects in the form of
> automotive suppliers, local shops and so on.
>
> I hope the next model magna will rescue them, and they ditch the
'corporate'
> front end of the cars.

I notice going by their current TV ad, that they are offering 10yr warrenty
on engine and trans plus they alluded to a new model which you see under a
cover. It looks like a full size sedan ala Falcodore,....wonder what it is?

Jason

From:	Graham W
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:07:42 +1100

Jason James wrote:
> I notice going by their current TV ad, that they are offering 10yr warrenty
> on engine and trans plus they alluded to a new model which you see under a
> cover. It looks like a full size sedan ala Falcodore,....wonder what it is?

We all know there's a new modelon the horizon (whioch strikes me as one
mroe reason not to buy the current model.).

As for the warranty - it's non transferable, so it contributes nothing
to the resale value, which is the big killer at the moment for lots of
people.

I would guess Mitsubishi want more private buyers to boost new sales
without dumping the cars out into the second hand car market in 2 years
time.

You see a similar effect with things like dual cab 4wd utes, where there
are hundreds of 2 to 3 year old white ex fleet utes around, but very few
of the coloured ones which cost exactly the same new but were bought by
private buyers who hang on to them longer.

As a result the coloured ones are worth more at 2 years. If Mitsubishi
can sell more cars to people who hold onto them longer, their resale is
likely to improve.

From:	Diesel Dog (not Damo)
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:31:36 +1100

Jason James wrote:

> I notice going by their current TV ad, that they are offering 10yr warrenty
> on engine and trans plus they alluded to a new model which you see under a
> cover. It looks like a full size sedan ala Falcodore,....wonder what it is?

It looked like a turd that hasn't been flushed down the dunny yet. :-)
--
Regards Dan

From:	Cartman
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:35:51 +1100

It would be a shame for Mitsubishi Australia to die, given that their cars
are better built than the commodore or falcon and you get more for your
money.

I cant believe how stupid MMAL must be though. They release a new model and
instantly sales decline. The new Magna looks like a piece of shit, shame
cause it really is a nice car to drive.
"Vic" wrote in message
news:35bpgaF4k7tqgU1@individual.net...
> From smh.com.au :
>
http://smh.com.au/news/Business/Mitsubishi-near-collapse--again/2005/01/20/1106110880080.html?oneclick=true
>
> Quoted highlights (lowlights really) of this article :
>
> - Less than a year after Japan's Mitsubishi Motors narrowly averted
almost
> certain death by securing a $US4.6 billion ($6 billion) rescue from the
> zaibatsu parent, Mitsubishi Group, the car maker is again reaching for a
> lifeline amid a devastating decline in sales.
>
> - Analysts say Mitsubishi is burning through cash so quickly that its
need
> for money has become critical.
>
> - The car maker has had a series of failures in recent years, including
a
> misguided effort to foster sales in the US by offering easy loans to
> customers with weak credit and a recall scandal in Japan that led to the
> arrest of half a dozen former Mitsubishi executives, including a past
> president.
>
> Pity if it mitsu closes up door here in Oz. Not cos the awful looking
cars
> they make, which cannot be denied that that they are crook on the eyes
> (they're actually well built and good value for money), but that so many
> Aussies will lose their jobs. And the flow on effects in the form of
> automotive suppliers, local shops and so on.
>
> I hope the next model magna will rescue them, and they ditch the
'corporate'
> front end of the cars.
>
>

From:	budgie
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0800

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:35:51 +1100, "Cartman"
wrote:

>It would be a shame for Mitsubishi Australia to die, given that their cars
>are better built than the commodore or falcon and you get more for your
>money.
>
>I cant believe how stupid MMAL must be though. They release a new model and
>instantly sales decline. The new Magna looks like a piece of shit, shame
>cause it really is a nice car to drive.

The stupidity goes back (in the case of the current fugly Magna) to ever
allowing the design to get off the drawing board. Surely - even when times are
tough - they can afford to employ people with "normal" taste to preview designs.

From:	OzOne
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:28:53 +1100

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0800, budgie scribbled
thusly:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:35:51 +1100, "Cartman"
>wrote:
>
>>It would be a shame for Mitsubishi Australia to die, given that their cars
>>are better built than the commodore or falcon and you get more for your
>>money.
>>
>>I cant believe how stupid MMAL must be though. They release a new model and
>>instantly sales decline. The new Magna looks like a piece of shit, shame
>>cause it really is a nice car to drive.
>
>The stupidity goes back (in the case of the current fugly Magna) to ever
>allowing the design to get off the drawing board. Surely - even when times are
>tough - they can afford to employ people with "normal" taste to preview designs.

They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
towbar.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

From:	lucy
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:46:16 +1100

OzOne Wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0800, >[color=green]
> They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
> towbar.
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Of course!! It's the customers who've got it wrong, not Mitsubishi
marketing. I bet the same people didn't realise that Betamax was a
better format than VHS either. And didn't buy the Leyland P76 even
though it won Wheels Car of the Year in 1973.

Idiots, all of them.

--
lucy

From:	Graham W
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:52:49 +1100

lucy wrote:
> Of course!! It's the customers who've got it wrong, not Mitsubishi
> marketing.

Don't underestimate the importance of the marketing people. The Magna
isn't a bad enough car in it's own right to explain Mitsubishi's woes.

> I bet the same people didn't realise that Betamax was a
> better format than VHS either.

It was. But other factors made VHS more attractive; engineering
excellence is not the whole story.

> And didn't buy the Leyland P76 even
> though it won Wheels Car of the Year in 1973.

Ah well... I don't know what their excuse was.

> Idiots, all of them.

Not at all.
Maybe looking at and driving a handbuilt P76 with only a handful of
miles on it wasn't immediately obvious what a disaster they would be in
volume production. As for Betamax and Magna, their problems are not the
product itself.

From:	OzOne
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:00:32 +1100

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:46:16 +1100, lucy

scribbled thusly:

>
>OzOne Wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0800, >[color=green]
>> They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
>> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
>> towbar.
>>
>>
>> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>>
>> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
>
>
>Of course!! It's the customers who've got it wrong, not Mitsubishi
>marketing. I bet the same people didn't realise that Betamax was a
>better format than VHS either. And didn't buy the Leyland P76 even
>though it won Wheels Car of the Year in 1973.
>
>Idiots, all of them.

Well yeah, they are wrong on two anyway.
Mitsubishi makes a better car than Holden or Ford,
Betamax was a far far better format

Unfortunately the P76 was just as unreliable as Holden and Ford.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

From:	Graham W
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:54:58 +1100

OzOne wrote:
> Well yeah, they are wrong on two anyway.
> Mitsubishi makes a better car than Holden or Ford,
> Betamax was a far far better format

> Unfortunately the P76 was just as unreliable as Holden and Ford.

And you're wrong on one.

Holden and Ford never approached Leyland's level of excellence in making
appalling cars.

From:	Andy
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:55:04 +1100

wrote in message news:vqk5v0ln530riaan158jpd9c6mqfi89m3j@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0800, budgie scribbled
> thusly:
>
>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:35:51 +1100, "Cartman"
>>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>It would be a shame>
> They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
> towbar.

Lots of people. More intelligent than you. And what is the towing limit of
the Magna poofta?

From:	Andy
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:09:26 +1100

"Andy" wrote in message
news:41f302b7$0$4404$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> wrote in message news:vqk5v0ln530riaan158jpd9c6mqfi89m3j@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0800, budgie scribbled
>> thusly:
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:35:51 +1100, "Cartman"
>>>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>It would be a shame>
>> They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
>> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
>> towbar.
>
>
> Lots of people. More intelligent than you. And what is the towing limit
> of the Magna poofta?

I'll answer that 1500kg with brakes

Commodore 2100 kg

Falcon auto 2300kg

You cant get a traditional caravan under 1600 kg ,

http://www.jayco.com.au/

From:	OzOne
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:13:54 +1100

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:09:26 +1100, "Andy"
scribbled thusly:

>
>"Andy" wrote in message
>news:41f302b7$0$4404$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> wrote in message news:vqk5v0ln530riaan158jpd9c6mqfi89m3j@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0800, budgie scribbled
>>> thusly:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:35:51 +1100, "Cartman"
>>>>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It would be a shame>
>>> They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
>>> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
>>> towbar.
>>
>>
>> Lots of people. More intelligent than you. And what is the towing limit
>> of the Magna poofta?
>
>I'll answer that 1500kg with brakes
>
>Commodore 2100 kg
>
>Falcon auto 2300kg
>
>You cant get a traditional caravan under 1600 kg ,
>
>http://www.jayco.com.au/
>
Excellent research there Andy....Now all you need to do is find out
just how many Holdens and Falcons are sold with the heavy duty tow
packs that allow them to tow above 1600kg.

Maybe you could also dredge up the number sold with the normal tow
bar.
Hey, maybe you could find out how many owners have a van, or ever
intend to tow.

Maybe you could point me toward the Magna poofta...I don't believe
I've seen that model.
Is it an import or did you just drag it out of your arse?

Bwaaaahhahahahahhahahhahahahahhahahahaaa!

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

From:	Serialpest
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:10:12 +1000

On 23/1/05 12:09 PM, in article
41f305fb$0$3844$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "Andy"
wrote:

>
> "Andy" wrote in message
> news:41f302b7$0$4404$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> wrote in message news:vqk5v0ln530riaan158jpd9c6mqfi89m3j@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0800, budgie scribbled
>>> thusly:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:35:51 +1100, "Cartman"
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It would be a shame>
>>> They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
>>> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
>>> towbar.
>>
>>
>> Lots of people. More intelligent than you. And what is the towing limit
>> of the Magna poofta?
>
> I'll answer that 1500kg with brakes
>
> Commodore 2100 kg
>
> Falcon auto 2300kg
>
> You cant get a traditional caravan under 1600 kg ,
>
> http://www.jayco.com.au/
>
>
How much does the one you live in weigh?

From:	OzOne
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:14:58 +1100

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:10:12 +1000, Serialpest
scribbled thusly:

>>
>> You cant get a traditional caravan under 1600 kg ,
>>
>> http://www.jayco.com.au/
>>
>>
>How much does the one you live in weigh?

It's a pop top....light enought to tow behind his RWD Corolla.
Bwaaahahhahahahahahhahahahahahaaaa!

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

From:	Blackbird
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:39:25 +1000

"Serialpest" wrote in message
news:BE1952B4.2639D%tyresmoke@magna.com...
> On 23/1/05 12:09 PM, in article
> 41f305fb$0$3844$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "Andy"
> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Andy" wrote in message
> > news:41f302b7$0$4404$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >>
> >> wrote in message
news:vqk5v0ln530riaan158jpd9c6mqfi89m3j@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0800, budgie scribbled
> >>> thusly:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:35:51 +1100, "Cartman"
> >>>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It would be a shame>
> >>> They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
> >>> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
> >>> towbar.
> >>
> >>
> >> Lots of people. More intelligent than you. And what is the towing
limit
> >> of the Magna poofta?
> >
> > I'll answer that 1500kg with brakes
> >
> > Commodore 2100 kg
> >
> > Falcon auto 2300kg
> >
> > You cant get a traditional caravan under 1600 kg ,
> >
> > http://www.jayco.com.au/
> >
> >
> How much does the one you live in weigh?

Well at least he owns it, unlike the commission home you squat in.

From:	OzOne
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:09:29 +1100

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:55:04 +1100, "Andy"
scribbled thusly:

>
> wrote in message news:vqk5v0ln530riaan158jpd9c6mqfi89m3j@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0800, budgie scribbled
>> thusly:
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:35:51 +1100, "Cartman"
>>>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>It would be a shame>
>> They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
>> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
>> towbar.
>
>
>Lots of people. More intelligent than you. And what is the towing limit of
>the Magna poofta?
>

WTF are you smoking Andy?
I've never heard of a Magna Poofta, but the Magna sedan has a towing
capacity of 1500kg.
The Falcon 1600kg without an extremely expensive towing pack and
similar for the Holden.

Even so, It would be very difficult for those owners of any of the
above to tow a van they don't own without a towbar.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

From:	Kieron
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:12:16 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:09:29 +1100, OzOne <> wrote:

>I've never heard of a Magna Poofta, but the Magna sedan has a towing
>capacity of 1500kg.
>The Falcon 1600kg without an extremely expensive towing pack and
>similar for the Holden.

The 1600kg tow pack is circa $500 for a Falcon. The 2300kg is around
$1200. Its not that important though a it would cost similar amounts
for a Landcruiser etc

Fact is, a Falcon is capable of doing it.

From:	Andy
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:07:49 +1100

"Kieron" wrote in message
news:41f46722.8512171@203.50.2.233...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:09:29 +1100, OzOne <> wrote:
>
>
>>I've never heard of a Magna Poofta, but the Magna sedan has a towing
>>capacity of 1500kg.
>>The Falcon 1600kg without an extremely expensive towing pack and
>>similar for the Holden.
>
> The 1600kg tow pack is circa $500 for a Falcon. The 2300kg is around
> $1200. Its not that important though a it would cost similar amounts
> for a Landcruiser etc
>
> Fact is, a Falcon is capable of doing it.

And not the Magna 'poofta'

From:	OzOne
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:26:43 +1100

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:12:16 GMT, kieronm302@hotmail.com (Kieron)
scribbled thusly:

>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:09:29 +1100, OzOne <> wrote:
>
>
>>I've never heard of a Magna Poofta, but the Magna sedan has a towing
>>capacity of 1500kg.
>>The Falcon 1600kg without an extremely expensive towing pack and
>>similar for the Holden.
>
>The 1600kg tow pack is circa $500 for a Falcon. The 2300kg is around
>$1200. Its not that important though a it would cost similar amounts
>for a Landcruiser etc
>
>Fact is, a Falcon is capable of doing it.

Not without a towbar!

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

From:	Blackbird
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:37:13 +1000

> I've never heard of a Magna Poofta,

I believe it's the name Mitsubishi has been thinking of for the "end of
model" magna sales. You know, like commodore lumina.

From:	Andy
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:24:05 +1100

wrote in message news:ab86v0lt3m8vlld2j5mbn8t2egu3fgs8cd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:55:04 +1100, "Andy"
> WTF are you smoking Andy?

quote:

> They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan

unquote

Tell me dickwad is a Magna the type of car that Aussie average would
seriously consider to tow a caravan?

From:	OzOne
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:59:48 +1100

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:24:05 +1100, "Andy"
scribbled thusly:

>
> wrote in message news:ab86v0lt3m8vlld2j5mbn8t2egu3fgs8cd@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:55:04 +1100, "Andy"
>> WTF are you smoking Andy?
>
>quote:
>
>> They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
>> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan
>
>unquote
>
>Tell me dickwad is a Magna the type of car that Aussie average would
>seriously consider to tow a caravan?
>

Tell me Andy, just how many Aussies need a car to tow a caravan?
Oh, I guess I'd better add 'douchebag' to keep with your tone.

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

From:	Graham W
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:47:49 +1100

Andy wrote:

> wrote in message news:ab86v0lt3m8vlld2j5mbn8t2egu3fgs8cd@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:55:04 +1100, "Andy"
>>WTF are you smoking Andy?
>
>
> quote:
>
>
>>They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
>>people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan
>
>
> unquote
>
> Tell me dickwad is a Magna the type of car that Aussie average would
> seriously consider to tow a caravan?

Go back to the original quote, without trimming the bits you didn't
understand or maybe didn't like:

"They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
towbar."

The whole point was that people who didn't own a caravan, who didn't
even own a towbar, felt they needed a RWD car, because a rear wheel
drive car would be more suitable to tow a caravan.

From:	Andy
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:19:34 +1100

"Graham W" wrote in message
news:35hrneF4jp38tU1@individual.net...
> Andy wrote:
>
>> wrote in message
>> news:ab86v0lt3m8vlld2j5mbn8t2egu3fgs8cd@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:55:04 +1100, "Andy"
>>>WTF are you smoking Andy?
>>
>>
>> quote:
>>
>>
>>>They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
>>>people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan
>>
>>
>> unquote
>>
>> Tell me dickwad is a Magna the type of car that Aussie average would
>> seriously consider to tow a caravan?
>
> Go back to the original quote, without trimming the bits you didn't
> understand or maybe didn't like:
>
> "They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
> people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
> towbar."
>
> The whole point was that people who didn't own a caravan, who didn't even
> own a towbar, felt they needed a RWD car, because a rear wheel drive car
> would be more suitable to tow a caravan.

I understood it perfectly.

Its all about future thinking and life style. People buy cars on weighing
up the potential of what a car can do. So even if they are not going to tow
a caravan today, they will buy a RWD car thinking that if they need to tow a
caravan, trailer, horse float in the future. The Magna on the spec sheets
is less capable than the other cars and thus is scratched of the list.

Not a valid point? Ask all the SUV drivers who dream of one day taking
their cars off-road.

From:	Ben Thomas
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:53:04 GMT

Andy wrote:

> I understood it perfectly.
>
> Its all about future thinking and life style. People buy cars on weighing
> up the potential of what a car can do. So even if they are not going to tow
> a caravan today, they will buy a RWD car thinking that if they need to tow a
> caravan, trailer, horse float in the future. The Magna on the spec sheets
> is less capable than the other cars and thus is scratched of the list.
>
> Not a valid point? Ask all the SUV drivers who dream of one day taking
> their cars off-road.
>
>

So the Magna was only ever going to be able to compete if it was RWD and big
engines were available.

Perhaps that is the original point that someone was trying to make.

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From:	Andy
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:00:03 +1100

"Ben Thomas" wrote in message
news:r9g1tc.tgh.ln@192.168.11.2...
>
> So the Magna was only ever going to be able to compete if it was RWD and
> big engines were available.
>

Yep. Mitsubishi made a car that no-one wanted. Ever always has been.

From:	Graham W
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:54:23 +1100

> "Ben Thomas" wrote:
>>So the Magna was only ever going to be able to compete if it was RWD and
>>big engines were available.

Andy wrote:
> Yep. Mitsubishi made a car that no-one wanted. Ever always has been.

Strange you know, I think thats what everyone else was trying to say
when you were busy disagreeing with them???

From:	Andy
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:35:52 +1100

"Graham W" wrote in message
news:35jrchF4nj5t7U1@individual.net...
>> "Ben Thomas" wrote:
>>>So the Magna was only ever going to be able to compete if it was RWD and
>>>big engines were available.
>
> Andy wrote:
>> Yep. Mitsubishi made a car that no-one wanted. Ever always has been.
>
> Strange you know, I think thats what everyone else was trying to say when
> you were busy disagreeing with them???

You got the wrong guy. the only peoploe in this newsgroup that buy Magna
(pooftas) arde Serialpedofile and BoZo

From:	Andy
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:37:06 +1100

"Andy" wrote in message
news:41f4c12b$0$24458$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> "Graham W" wrote in message
> news:35jrchF4nj5t7U1@individual.net...
>>> "Ben Thomas" wrote:
>>>>So the Magna was only ever going to be able to compete if it was RWD and
>>>>big engines were available.
>>
>> Andy wrote:
>>> Yep. Mitsubishi made a car that no-one wanted. Ever always has been.
>>
>> Strange you know, I think thats what everyone else was trying to say when
>> you were busy disagreeing with them???
>
> You got the wrong guy. the only peoploe in this newsgroup that buy Magna
> (pooftas) arde Serialpedofile and BoZo
>

Fuck i am either pissed or I need a new keyboard (this one is sticky.
Eweeeeeee!!)

From:	Diesel Dog (not Damo)
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:03:23 +1100

Ben Thomas wrote:

>
> So the Magna was only ever going to be able to compete if it was RWD and
> big engines were available.

Yes and no they don't offer what I personally really want in a car. Same
with Toyota although the interior of the new Camry is a complete turn off.

--
Regards Dan

From:	Graham W
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:37:22 +1100

> wrote in message news:vqk5v0ln530riaan158jpd9c6mqfi89m3j@4ax.com...
>>They were in trouble long before that Magna....something to do with
>>people thinking that they needed a RWD to tow a caravan even without a
>>towbar.

Andy wrote:
> Lots of people. More intelligent than you. And what is the towing limit of
> the Magna

Whats the relevance if they don't have a towbar or a caravan anyway?
Which is what his point was.

> poofta?

Where?

Oh, you've degenerated into abuse? Ah well then you've obviously run out
of valid arguments. You lose. Doesn't really matter what we were
discussing, you lost.

From:	OzOne
Subject:	Re: mitsubishi near collapse - again
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:12:20 +1100

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:37:22 +1100, Graham W
scribbled thusly:
>
>Oh, you've degenerated into abuse? Ah well then you've obviously run out
>of valid arguments. You lose. Doesn't really matter what we were
>discussing, you lost.

Heh heh....Yep, a loser....or looooooooser!
Never looser....unless of course he's an ex con :-)

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.