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Steve, Jack, and Johnny--you'll never see the likes of them again
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| | From: | Rob Petrie | | Subject: | Steve, Jack, and Johnny--you'll never see the likes of them again | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:28:51 GMT |
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The 3 Kings of late-night NBC-tv's "Tonight Show" from the start are now
all gone.
Steve Allen (1954-1957), Jack Paar (1957-1962), and Johnny Carson
(1962-1992).
Their wit, versatility, gift of gab, and overall greatness will never be
even remotely approached again on late-night, or any other time of
television talk shows.
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| | From: | King Daevid MacKenzie | | Subject: | Re: Steve, Jack, and Johnny--you'll never see the likes of them again | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:38:27 -0600 |
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| Rob Petrie sez:
> The 3 Kings of late-night NBC-tv's "Tonight Show" from the start are now
> all gone.
> Steve Allen (1954-1957), Jack Paar (1957-1962), and Johnny Carson
> (1962-1992).
....you're forgetting Ernie Kovacs (1956-57). For the last six months or
so of Allen's tenure, Ernie would do Monday and Tuesday nights and Steve
would do the other three...
> Their wit, versatility, gift of gab, and overall greatness will never be
> even remotely approached again on late-night, or any other time of
> television talk shows.
....no argument there...
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King Daevid MacKenzie, WLSU-FM 88.9 La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA
http://wpr.org/music/ http://ultimajock.blogspot.com
"Why do people take drugs anymore, when reality has become a
hallucination?" LEWIS BLACK
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| | From: | Rob Petrie | | Subject: | Re: Steve, Jack, and Johnny--you'll never see the likes of them again | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:30:33 GMT |
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"King Daevid MacKenzie" wrote in message
news:41F43573.7020909@centurytel.net...
> Rob Petrie sez:
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>> The 3 Kings of late-night NBC-tv's "Tonight Show" from the start are
>> now all gone.
>> Steve Allen (1954-1957), Jack Paar (1957-1962), and Johnny Carson
>> (1962-1992).
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> ...you're forgetting Ernie Kovacs (1956-57). For the last six months or so
> of Allen's tenure, Ernie would do Monday and Tuesday nights and Steve
> would do the other three...
Ah, thanks for the slight correction. But Ernie wasn't the regular
host.
However, Ernie's another tv genius you won't see the likes again.
>> Their wit, versatility, gift of gab, and overall greatness will never
>> be even remotely approached again on late-night, or any other time of
>> television talk shows.
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> ...no argument there...
"...everybody else [late-night hosts] are just pretenders."
--David Letterman, response on the passing of Johnny Carson
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| | From: | Harry Krause | | Subject: | Re: Steve, Jack, and Johnny--you'll never see the likes of them again | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:42:26 -0500 |
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| Rob Petrie wrote:
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> The 3 Kings of late-night NBC-tv's "Tonight Show" from the start are now
> all gone.
> Steve Allen (1954-1957), Jack Paar (1957-1962), and Johnny Carson
> (1962-1992).
> Their wit, versatility, gift of gab, and overall greatness will never be
> even remotely approached again on late-night, or any other time of
> television talk shows.
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You're absolutely correct, but I'd add in the great Ernie Kovacs in
fourth place.
Carson was absolutely remarkable. He was always a pleasure to watch,
especially when one of his jokes or monologues was bombing.
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| | From: | Rob Petrie | | Subject: | Re: Steve, Jack, and Johnny--you'll never see the likes of them again | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:36:31 GMT |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:-ICdneLvLLv-q2ncRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> Rob Petrie wrote:
>> The 3 Kings of late-night NBC-tv's "Tonight Show" from the start are
>> now all gone.
>> Steve Allen (1954-1957), Jack Paar (1957-1962), and Johnny Carson
>> (1962-1992).
>> Their wit, versatility, gift of gab, and overall greatness will never
>> be even remotely approached again on late-night, or any other time of
>> television talk shows.
> You're absolutely correct, but I'd add in the great Ernie Kovacs in fourth
> place.
I've noted Ernie (as King Daevid MacKenzie) mentioned previously, and
Ernie had his own wild-and-crazy show, but it wasn't in the talk show
format.
> Carson was absolutely remarkable. He was always a pleasure to watch,
> especially when one of his jokes or monologues was bombing.
Johnny was maybe the only comic/comedian I can remember (maybe Jack
Benny, also), who actually was funnier when a joke bombed than when he got
the laugh.
Now, THAT takes pure genius!
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| | From: | King Daevid MacKenzie | | Subject: | Re: Steve, Jack, and Johnny--you'll never see the likes of them again | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:04:24 -0600 |
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| Rob Petrie quotes Harry Krause quotin' him 'n sez:
>>> The 3 Kings of late-night NBC-tv's "Tonight Show" from the start are
>>>now all gone.
>>> Steve Allen (1954-1957), Jack Paar (1957-1962), and Johnny Carson
>>>(1962-1992).
>>> Their wit, versatility, gift of gab, and overall greatness will never
>>>be even remotely approached again on late-night, or any other time of
>>>television talk shows.
>>
>
>>You're absolutely correct, but I'd add in the great Ernie Kovacs in fourth
>>place.
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> I've noted Ernie (as King Daevid MacKenzie) mentioned previously, and
> Ernie had his own wild-and-crazy show, but it wasn't in the talk show
> format.
....neither was Allen's version of "Tonight." Allen ran it pretty much as
a variety show; it wasn't until Jack Paar showed up that the emphasis
shifted to celebrity chat. And Kovacs was indeed considered by NBC to be
a regular host of "Tonight" just as Allen was...
>>Carson was absolutely remarkable. He was always a pleasure to watch,
>>especially when one of his jokes or monologues was bombing.
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> Johnny was maybe the only comic/comedian I can remember (maybe Jack
> Benny, also), who actually was funnier when a joke bombed than when he got
> the laugh.
> Now, THAT takes pure genius!
....that he actually learned from studying Fred Allen...
--
King Daevid MacKenzie, WLSU-FM 88.9 La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA
http://wpr.org/music/ http://ultimajock.blogspot.com
"Why do people take drugs anymore, when reality has become a
hallucination?" LEWIS BLACK
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| | From: | Rob Petrie | | Subject: | Re: Steve, Jack, and Johnny--you'll never see the likes of them again | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:03:29 GMT |
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"King Daevid MacKenzie" wrote in message
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> Rob Petrie quotes Harry Krause quotin' him 'n sez:
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>>>> The 3 Kings of late-night NBC-tv's "Tonight Show" from the start are
>>>> now all gone.
>>>> Steve Allen (1954-1957), Jack Paar (1957-1962), and Johnny Carson
>>>> (1962-1992).
>>>> Their wit, versatility, gift of gab, and overall greatness will never
>>>> be even remotely approached again on late-night, or any other time of
>>>> television talk shows.
>>>
>>
>>>You're absolutely correct, but I'd add in the great Ernie Kovacs in
>>>fourth place.
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>> I've noted Ernie (as King Daevid MacKenzie) mentioned previously,
>> and Ernie had his own wild-and-crazy show, but it wasn't in the talk show
>> format.
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> ...neither was Allen's version of "Tonight." Allen ran it pretty much as a
> variety show; it wasn't until Jack Paar showed up that the emphasis
> shifted to celebrity chat. And Kovacs was indeed considered by NBC to be a
> regular host of "Tonight" just as Allen was...
He filled in for Allen when Allen was away, which is sort of analogous
to Joey Bishop filling in for Johnny in the '60s before going up against him
with his own late-night show.
But I sure wouldn't count Joey Bishop as the late-night host of The
Tonight Show, nor Joan Rivers, Bill Cosby, or anybody else who temporarily
filled in for Johnny!
And there would be no "Tonight Show" and Johnny Carson to talk about at
all (same for Jack Paar) if it wasn't for Steve Allen (and NBC) to start the
ball rolling in 1954.
>>>Carson was absolutely remarkable. He was always a pleasure to watch,
>>>especially when one of his jokes or monologues was bombing.
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>> Johnny was maybe the only comic/comedian I can remember (maybe Jack
>> Benny, also), who actually was funnier when a joke bombed than when he
>> got the laugh.
>> Now, THAT takes pure genius!
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> ...that he actually learned from studying Fred Allen...
I only heard a bit of Fred Allen's old radio shows on an early-morning
weekend (variety of comics) comedy shows when I was in my early teens, and
he didn't do raw jokes, just did conversations with the gang on his "Alley."
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