Daddy Freddy wrote:
> On 23 Jan 2005 19:25:28 GMT, terrymelin@aol.com (Terrymelin) wrote:
>
> >What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show
host ever.
> >Period. The greatest. RIP.
>
>
> Last week, one of the tabloid TV shows promised an upcoming segment
about rumors
> that he had been (or was planning to) writing jokes for Letterman.
This sure
> came out of the blue.

Listening to the coverage on MSNBC and Fox News, I got the impression
that he had written jokes for Letterman and was always pleased when
Letterman used his work. He also worked on his monolog jokes, even
going so far as to insert bad ones so that he could play off the
audience's reactions.

Bob Champ

From:	Daddy Freddy
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:15:28 GMT

On 23 Jan 2005 19:25:28 GMT, terrymelin@aol.com (Terrymelin) wrote:

>What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show host ever.
>Period. The greatest. RIP.

Last week, one of the tabloid TV shows promised an upcoming segment about rumors
that he had been (or was planning to) writing jokes for Letterman. This sure
came out of the blue.

From:	Rob Petrie
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:08:01 GMT

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"Daddy Freddy" wrote in message
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> On 23 Jan 2005 19:25:28 GMT, terrymelin@aol.com (Terrymelin) wrote:

>>What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show host
>>ever.
>>Period. The greatest. RIP.

> Last week, one of the tabloid TV shows promised an upcoming segment about
> rumors
> that he had been (or was planning to) writing jokes for Letterman. This
> sure
> came out of the blue.

True, earlier this month and for the last few months, Johnny submitted
some jokes he wrote to David who used them, and Johnny delighted in hearing
David deliver them.

From:	rrfeigel at hotmail.com
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	23 Jan 2005 17:40:27 -0800

Terrymelin wrote:
> What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show
host ever.
> Period. The greatest. RIP.
>
> Terry Ellsworth

What SAD news to come back to after being off-line. I remember Johnny
Carson from the days when he was the host of a television quiz show. I
thought he was one of the wittiest, most brilliantly funny
personalities to ever grace a television screen. RIP.

bob

From:	Rob Petrie
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:26:36 GMT

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> Terrymelin wrote:
>> What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show
> host ever.
>> Period. The greatest. RIP.
>>
>> Terry Ellsworth
>
> What SAD news to come back to after being off-line. I remember Johnny
> Carson from the days when he was the host of a television quiz show. I
> thought he was one of the wittiest, most brilliantly funny
> personalities to ever grace a television screen. RIP.
>
> bob

I remember him just a little when he was doing "Who Do You Trust?" for
ABC-tv, 1957-1962.
That's where he first hooked up with Ed McMahon as his 2nd banana
(foil).
So, Ed and Johnny have actually worked together for 35 consecutive
years (1957-1992), not just the 30 they did on The Tonight Show.

If anybody else dies in 2005 strictly in the Entertainment field of tv,
movies, or Broadway, who is bigger than Johnny Carson--I haven't figured out
who it could possibly be.

From:	Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:22:01 +1300

Rob Petrie wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> wrote in message
> news:1106530827.485329.176990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Terrymelin wrote:
>>
>>>What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show
>>
>>host ever.
>>
>>>Period. The greatest. RIP.
>>>
>>>Terry Ellsworth
>>
>>What SAD news to come back to after being off-line. I remember Johnny
>>Carson from the days when he was the host of a television quiz show. I
>>thought he was one of the wittiest, most brilliantly funny
>>personalities to ever grace a television screen. RIP.
>>
>>bob
>
>
> I remember him just a little when he was doing "Who Do You Trust?" for
> ABC-tv, 1957-1962.
> That's where he first hooked up with Ed McMahon as his 2nd banana
> (foil).
> So, Ed and Johnny have actually worked together for 35 consecutive
> years (1957-1992), not just the 30 they did on The Tonight Show.
>
> If anybody else dies in 2005 strictly in the Entertainment field of tv,
> movies, or Broadway, who is bigger than Johnny Carson--I haven't figured out
> who it could possibly be.

In retrospect, I think it may have been one of those soap sponsored quiz
shows where I first saw him. Someone already mentioned the three giants
in the genre: Jack Parr, Steve Allen and Johnny Carson. Although I
remember being hugely pissed off when Parr was replaced and was a big
fan of both Stevareeno, Parr and others, IMO Carson was top banana. b

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From:	robertchamp2002 at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	23 Jan 2005 11:56:47 -0800

Terrymelin wrote:
> What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show
host ever.
> Period. The greatest. RIP.
>
> Terry Ellsworth

It isn't often that you can point to anyone and say, "This man is the
best at what he does." But Johnny was certainly the best television
host ever, as well as being one of the funniest men ever to appear on
the tube.

I remember seeing him on "Who Do You Trust" many years ago, and then on
some of the game shows of the time, like "What's My Line." I didn't see
him for a number of years on "The Tonight Show" because I was a kid and
my parents wouldn't lat me stay up that late, but I did make up for it
later.

I'm a little surprised at the amount of coverage given to Johnny's
death by MSNBC and Fox News, but he is worth ever minute of it.

Johnny started out his show-business career hoping to be a magician. He
never earned his living doing tricks, but he always brought a touch of
magic with him.

Bob Champ

From:	Rob Petrie
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79 [watch "What's My Line?" this week!]
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:33:09 GMT

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> Terrymelin wrote:
>> What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show
> host ever.
>> Period. The greatest. RIP.
>>
>> Terry Ellsworth
>
> It isn't often that you can point to anyone and say, "This man is the
> best at what he does." But Johnny was certainly the best television
> host ever, as well as being one of the funniest men ever to appear on
> the tube.

> I remember seeing him on "Who Do You Trust" many years ago, and then on
> some of the game shows of the time, like "What's My Line."

If you get the 'Game Show Network' on cable, I suggest you pay close
attention to their shows the next week or so, including this Mon. morning,
in case they have already geared up to put Johnny's guest (or panelist!) on
it.
They usually give a tribute to a great tv or movie star who has just
passed by showing all of their guest appearances on "What's My Line?" over
the years.
"What's My Line? on 7 days/week at 2:30am CT (3:30am ET), usually
following "Beat The Clock" or "The Name's The Same" a half-hour earlier.
http://www.gsn.com/specific_page_elements.php?link_id=S29

IMDb.com has already posted his Date of Death as Jan. 23, 2005.
Johnny made 5 appearances on "What's My Line?" 4 times as a 'Guest
Panelist' (Apr. 8, 1956; Jul. 30, 1961; May 27, 1962 pre-hosting The Tonight
Show); Mar. 24, 1963. Once as a 'Mystery Guest' (Feb. 11, 1962).
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001992/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxzZz0xfGxtPTIwMHxwbj0wfHE9Sm9obm55IENhcnNvbnxodG1sPTF8bm09b24_;fc=1;ft=20;fm=1

> I didn't see
> him for a number of years on "The Tonight Show" because I was a kid and
> my parents wouldn't lat me stay up that late, but I did make up for it
> later.

I think every kid does/did that eventually!
The trouble is when Johnny was host, the first few years were erased
by NBC so we can't ever see again the whole first show with Groucho Marx on
Oct. 1, 1962.

> I'm a little surprised at the amount of coverage given to Johnny's
> death by MSNBC and Fox News, but he is worth ever minute of it.

> Johnny started out his show-business career hoping to be a magician. He
> never earned his living doing tricks, but he always brought a touch of
> magic with him.

From:	Brad Ferguson
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:29:29 -0500

In article <20050123142528.11804.00000237@mb-m03.aol.com>, Terrymelin
wrote:

> What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show host
> ever.
> Period. The greatest. RIP.
>
> Terry Ellsworth

I cannot add anything to this. Well said.

From:	James Neibaur
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:27:21 -0600

in article 20050123142528.11804.00000237@mb-m03.aol.com, Terrymelin at
terrymelin@aol.com wrote on 1/23/05 1:25 PM:

> What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show host
> ever.
> Period. The greatest. RIP.

It hasn't been the same since he left, and it will never be the same again.
I really hate to see him go.

RIP

JN

From:	Terrymelin
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	23 Jan 2005 23:37:03 GMT

>It hasn't been the same since he left, and it will never be the same again.
>I really hate to see him go.
>
>RIP
>
>JN

Me too. I knew it was coming -- as we all did -- but it still hits hard. I
don't think there was a greater TV star. Ever.

Terry Ellsworth

From:	Rob Petrie
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:19:05 GMT

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"Terrymelin" wrote in message
news:20050123183703.08521.00000257@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >It hasn't been the same since he left, and it will never be the same
> >again.
>>I really hate to see him go.
>>
>>RIP
>>
>>JN

> Me too. I knew it was coming -- as we all did

I didn't! I saw a pic CNN (?) showed of him attending 'The Aviator'
movie two weeks ago, and I wouldn't recognize him even if he removed the
dark sunglasses he had on--but I had no idea he was in such ill health and
was dying. He had gained a lot of weight and that was the difference I
noticed most besides his now-unrecognizable face.

-- but it still hits hard. I
> don't think there was a greater TV star. Ever.

Only Lucy, Jackie, (and Ernie for his innovations) are in that
rarefied atmosphere of the greatest tv stars (or characters they played) who
ever lived.
No last names are needed when you mention these all-time tv greats,
and Johnny is right there with them.
Genius is what it is, pure genius.

From:	Glitter Ninja
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:22:40 +0000 (UTC)

"Rob Petrie" writes:

>> Me too. I knew it was coming -- as we all did

> I didn't! I saw a pic CNN (?) showed of him attending 'The Aviator'
>movie two weeks ago, and I wouldn't recognize him even if he removed the
>dark sunglasses he had on--but I had no idea he was in such ill health

I have to admit I haven't seen photos of him for 2 years or so. But he
was recognizeable and just a little chubbier than he had been. Do you
know of any recent photos of him? I can't find the one on CNN you
referred to.

Stacia

From:	Kathi
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:19:39 -0500

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:19:05 GMT, "Rob Petrie" wrote:

> I saw a pic CNN (?) showed of him attending 'The Aviator'
>movie two weeks ago, and I wouldn't recognize him even if he removed the
>dark sunglasses he had on--but I had no idea he was in such ill health and
>was dying. He had gained a lot of weight and that was the difference I
>noticed most besides his now-unrecognizable face.

Someone at work had left the January 24 issue of the National Enquirer
on the break table and as I was thumbing through, there was a brief
story on Johnny and his ill health, with a couple of photos.
Ambulatory, not on oxygen, but definitely bloated. I don't recall if
it mentioned how recent (or not) those photos may have been.

Kathi

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From:	doc
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:38:59 -0800

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:19:05 +0000, Rob Petrie wrote:

> Only Lucy, Jackie, (and Ernie for his innovations) are in that
> rarefied atmosphere of the greatest tv stars (or characters they played) who
> ever lived.
> No last names are needed when you mention these all-time tv greats,
> and Johnny is right there with them.
> Genius is what it is, pure genius.

Carson was familiar and inoffensive. Let's not get too effusive with the
praise. He was an icon of his age, but he was not ageless.

From:	James Neibaur
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:57:14 -0600

in article tWYId.4032$r27.2862@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, Rob Petrie
at r@att.net wrote on 1/23/05 8:19 PM:

> Only Lucy, Jackie, (and Ernie for his innovations) are in that
> rarefied atmosphere of the greatest tv stars (or characters they played) who
> ever lived.
> No last names are needed when you mention these all-time tv greats,
> and Johnny is right there with them.
> Genius is what it is, pure genius.

I agree, but would include Jack Benny and Bob Hope

JN

From:	Corby Gilmore
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	24 Jan 2005 05:28:01 GMT

James Neibaur (jneibaur@wi.rr.com) writes:
> in article tWYId.4032$r27.2862@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, Rob Petrie
> at r@att.net wrote on 1/23/05 8:19 PM:
>
>> Only Lucy, Jackie, (and Ernie for his innovations) are in that
>> rarefied atmosphere of the greatest tv stars (or characters they played) who
>> ever lived.
>> No last names are needed when you mention these all-time tv greats,
>> and Johnny is right there with them.
>> Genius is what it is, pure genius.
>
> I agree, but would include Jack Benny and Bob Hope
>
> JN

...and I would include Milton Berle as well.

--
Corby Gilmore
corby@ncf.ca

From:	Aje RavenStar
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:00:00 GMT

"James Neibaur" wrote in message
news:BE19C029.4CF08%jneibaur@wi.rr.com...
> in article tWYId.4032$r27.2862@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, Rob
> Petrie
> at r@att.net wrote on 1/23/05 8:19 PM:
>
>> Only Lucy, Jackie, (and Ernie for his innovations) are in that
>> rarefied atmosphere of the greatest tv stars (or characters they played)
>> who
>> ever lived.
>> No last names are needed when you mention these all-time tv greats,
>> and Johnny is right there with them.
>> Genius is what it is, pure genius.
>
> I agree, but would include Jack Benny and Bob Hope
>
> JN

I'd add (though non-performer, he brought some great ones to the medium)
Norman Lear.

From:	Rob Petrie
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:41:38 GMT

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"James Neibaur" wrote in message
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> in article tWYId.4032$r27.2862@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, Rob
> Petrie
> at r@att.net wrote on 1/23/05 8:19 PM:
>
>> Only Lucy, Jackie, (and Ernie for his innovations) are in that
>> rarefied atmosphere of the greatest tv stars (or characters they played)
>> who
>> ever lived.
>> No last names are needed when you mention these all-time tv greats,
>> and Johnny is right there with them.
>> Genius is what it is, pure genius.
>
> I agree, but would include Jack Benny and Bob Hope

I could agree on Jack B., but Bob Hope is so ingrained to me more as a
larger movie (Oscar presenter-host) and radio star, and only did those tv
specials each year instead of a regular series as Mr. Benny did.
That's why I'd give a bit more weight to Mr. Benny than Mr. Hope in the
tv greats--but this is not denigrating what Mr. Hope did in television, but
just not as great a tv performer as Mr. Benny, Lucy, Jackie, and Johnny did
for the medium of television.
Hope [pun, not sure it was intended or not, it just came out that way]
you agree!

From:	Rob Petrie
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:13:15 GMT

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"James Neibaur" wrote in message
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> in article 20050123142528.11804.00000237@mb-m03.aol.com, Terrymelin at
> terrymelin@aol.com wrote on 1/23/05 1:25 PM:
>
>> What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk show host
>> ever.
>> Period. The greatest. RIP.
>
> It hasn't been the same since he left, and it will never be the same
> again.
> I really hate to see him go.
>
> RIP

There are many people you mention who you say hate to see them go.
Many of them I'm not that much as interested in them as you are.
But I doubt there are many people who don't wholeheartedly agree with you
and I, who are old enough to remember him, how great a comic talent and
straight man Johnny Carson was and really hated to see this man go at only
79.
BTW, if you are watching "Larry King Live" right now, Don Rickles and
Carl Reiner are reminiscing with Larry about Johnny and Larry is showing
clips of some of Carson's greatest moments on "The Tonight Show."

From:	James Neibaur
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:00:15 -0600

in article %QYId.4026$r27.1169@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, Rob Petrie
at r@att.net wrote on 1/23/05 8:13 PM:

> There are many people you mention who you say hate to see them go.
> Many of them I'm not that much as interested in them as you are.

You aren't the movie buff I am, though. Virginia Mayo in White Heat, Best
Years of Our Lives, or The Princess in the Pirate is, to me --- well --
let's just say a lot more significant in my life than anything Christine
McIntyre ever did.

> But I doubt there are many people who don't wholeheartedly agree with you
> and I, who are old enough to remember him, how great a comic talent and
> straight man Johnny Carson was and really hated to see this man go at only
> 79.

Carson was an enormous figure in showbiz and a favorite of mine on so many
levels. Too much to go into here.

JN

From:	The Light Of Truth
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	23 Jan 2005 21:21:33 -0800

Rob Petrie wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> wrote in message
> news:1106530827.485329.176990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > Terrymelin wrote:
> >> What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk
show
> > host ever.
> >> Period. The greatest. RIP.
> >>
> >> Terry Ellsworth
> >
> > What SAD news to come back to after being off-line. I remember
Johnny
> > Carson from the days when he was the host of a television quiz
show. I
> > thought he was one of the wittiest, most brilliantly funny
> > personalities to ever grace a television screen. RIP.
> >
> > bob
>
> I remember him just a little when he was doing "Who Do You
Trust?" for
> ABC-tv, 1957-1962.
> That's where he first hooked up with Ed McMahon as his 2nd
banana
> (foil).
> So, Ed and Johnny have actually worked together for 35
consecutive
> years (1957-1992), not just the 30 they did on The Tonight Show.
>
> If anybody else dies in 2005 strictly in the Entertainment field
of tv,
> movies, or Broadway, who is bigger than Johnny Carson--I haven't
figured out
> who it could possibly be.

Bob Barker - The King Of Daytime Television

Date Of Birth - December 12, 1923

Current Age - 81

Career
-------
Truth Or Consequences 1956-1974 --> 18 Years
The Price Is Right 1972-Present --> 33 Years
---------------------------------------------
Total = 49 Years(after subtracting the 2 year overlap in 1972-1974 for
Truth or Consequences and The Price Is Right)

From:	Rob Petrie
Subject:	Re: Johnny Carson dies at 79
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:48:22 GMT

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"The Light Of Truth" wrote in message
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> Rob Petrie wrote:

>> wrote in message
>> news:1106530827.485329.176990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> > Terrymelin wrote:
>> >> What an incredibly sad day in America. There was no better talk
> show
>> > host ever.
>> >> Period. The greatest. RIP.
>> >>
>> >> Terry Ellsworth
>> >
>> > What SAD news to come back to after being off-line. I remember
> Johnny
>> > Carson from the days when he was the host of a television quiz
> show. I
>> > thought he was one of the wittiest, most brilliantly funny
>> > personalities to ever grace a television screen. RIP.
>> >
>> > bob
>>
>> I remember him just a little when he was doing "Who Do You
> Trust?" for
>> ABC-tv, 1957-1962.
>> That's where he first hooked up with Ed McMahon as his 2nd
> banana
>> (foil).
>> So, Ed and Johnny have actually worked together for 35
> consecutive
>> years (1957-1992), not just the 30 they did on The Tonight Show.
>>
>> If anybody else dies in 2005 strictly in the Entertainment field
> of tv,
>> movies, or Broadway, who is bigger than Johnny Carson--I haven't
> figured out
>> who it could possibly be.
>
> Bob Barker - The King Of Daytime Television
>
> Date Of Birth - December 12, 1923
>
> Current Age - 81
>
> Career
> -------
> Truth Or Consequences 1956-1974 --> 18 Years
> The Price Is Right 1972-Present --> 33 Years
> ---------------------------------------------
> Total = 49 Years(after subtracting the 2 year overlap in 1972-1974 for
> Truth or Consequences and The Price Is Right)

You can't possibly compare a carnival Barker to a master comedian,
storyteller, and master finder of new talent!